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    Has the time of the BMW Dual Clutch Transmission come and gone? Sources are indicating that the recently introduced DCT may be such a niche product that its time may be short lived. Porsche is feeling the same way with the famed PDK. The dual-clutch setup is fantastic in its implementation but remains an extremely niche product. According to Automotive News, transmission specialist ZF Friedrichshafen AG does not see a mass market for the dual-clutch technology that it sells to Porsche. Part of the issue is the cost to performance proposition of building a DCT that can handle lots of torque. With today’s performance cars increasing torque exponentially it leaves little market for the DCT.

    With the introduction of the X5 and X6 ///M versions using a technically updated automatic transmission and cylinder deactivation to produce shifts as fast as a DCT the writing was on the wall for a possible end to the BMW DCT. What this means now is that in the short term we will more than likely not see future products offered with a DCT, with a shift to 8 speed automatics across the line by 2013. We have been told not to assume anything in regards to current offerings but that the ///M3 and DCT are a perfect match.

    All you F10 ///M5 anticipators take note- this seals the deal that a DCT will NOT be in that vehicle!
    Source: bimmerfile
    Last edited by SSense; 30-08-2009, 07:42 PM.

    #2
    Driving an E92 DCT M3 was great, mind boggling fast, and needle-head sharp. But, it was too robotic for my taste...I'd sacrifice a bit in performance but retain that disengage-engage feeling of a genuine manual box...

    My $0.2...

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      #3
      I drove a 335 DCT, VW GTI DSG and R32 DSG... way too similar to an auto tranny for my taste... This is definitely good news for the next gen M5, TT V10 and SMGIV
      ...petrolhead

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        #4
        Originally posted by petrolhead View Post
        I drove a 335 DCT, VW GTI DSG and R32 DSG... way too similar to an auto tranny for my taste... This is definitely good news for the next gen M5, TT V10 and SMGIV
        If there will be an SMGIV that is, I do hope there will be.
        The DCT is great, but I was surprised when VW used such an advanced gearbox on a considerably cheap priced sports car. Running costs of a DSG/DCT/PDK are also pretty high, that votes against it.
        But, why does the automatic prevail ? Just stuff in an old fashion manual ! The gearbox that lasts and runs forever !
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          #5
          I think auto box market is growing cause divas are breeding
          more & more !!! & guess what ?? they drive among us :thumbsdown:

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            #6
            Originally posted by SewerSideUp View Post
            If there will be an SMGIV that is, I do hope there will be.
            The DCT is great, but I was surprised when VW used such an advanced gearbox on a considerably cheap priced sports car. Running costs of a DSG/DCT/PDK are also pretty high, that votes against it.
            But, why does the automatic prevail ? Just stuff in an old fashion manual ! The gearbox that lasts and runs forever !
            DSG is more reliable than the others, you can ask the VW owners !

            It's high compared with Auto/Manual gearbox, but low compared with DCT/PDK !
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              #7
              FTW, i wish they will introduce the SMG IV

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                #8
                Wow, that was so quick!
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                  #9
                  DCT is a great thing, But id still go for manual gearbox anyday!
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                    #10
                    ^^ even SMG feels better than a DCT ..
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                      #11
                      both are good in 2 different ways... but the smg was just perfect IMHO although the pump does fail but it still works like a glove with inline 6 beast. i'm talking about the e46 M3...


                      the V10 smg3 was also good and much smoother. having tried both, i wouldn't mind a 4th version of this set up which should be much improved than the previous vrsions

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                        #12
                        +1 To bruno, I'm in love with the SMGIII !!! :drool::drool:

                        But for Numbers wise, the DCT is faster than the SMG...(Numbers Wise)

                        Else the SMG is way more better ! :)
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                          #13
                          SMG III Shifts !

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                          DCT Shifts !

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                            #14
                            that M5 brings back memories!!! Rami... PLEASE PUT THEM BACK ON!!!
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                            Something EVIL is brewing... :///M:

                            Cry havoc... and let slip the dogs of WAR!!!

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                              #15
                              Unless you can get me immunity from impounding or fines
                              ...petrolhead

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